"Hello Mahou Shoujo Site fans. I used to have a big prejudice against magical girl anime, but with this anime (and Wonder Egg Priority) I'm overcoming it. But tell me, does the anime remain heavy throughout?"
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After viewing the comments section of Kiyohara, it was pretty ugly. Yes, there were ACTUAL hateful transphobes in the comments, but also unreasonable people who accused others of being transphobes for simply sharing different views, and also people who did not even care about the argument, but rather tried to fuel the fire as online trolls do.
I have family in Japan and personally know a few crossdressers; most of the arguments stem from what I feel are people forcing their beliefs on another culture, both in the context of Japan vs Western culture, and Trans vs Crossdressing culture.
Kiyohara is referred to as what is known an Otokotonoko. Even non-crossdressing men can be referred to this as it is mainly referring to a man's feminine gender expression. I think this is where our understanding gets lost in translation. You can be an Otokotonoko and still identify as male and dress like a man if you happen to look feminine or embrace a feministic side to your personality.
It is indeed a fact that the term is more often commonly associated with crossdressers. But to say all male cross-dressers are trans-female is wrong and disrespectful. It is like calling all drag-queens trans-females. Yes, some drag-queens do identify as female, but others of that resilient and diverse community have different reasons for crossdressing outside of gender identity.
Japanese crossdressers are no different. Some crossdress as a form of self expression, others as a fetish, but a majority do it simply as a hobby or fashion statement. One otokonoko I regularly met on a daily basis dressed as such because HE (emphasis on he as he still identified as male) wanted to feel liberated from societal norms. Another did so because SHE felt it is closer to their authentic inner selves. Crossdressing is not always about gender identity. It can be, but to automatically assume it is isn't a Japanese thing, more of a Western thing at this time.
In Japan, crossdressing is way more accepted than actually identifying as trans. I wouldn't be surprised if people were using crossdressing as a guise to embrace their true selves, but at the current time, a male crossdresser is expected to still identify as male.
In Kiyohara's case, people were arguing that they saw "MTF" being used to refer to Kiyohara in the official translations which proved Kiyohara identifies as a female. The author, however, stated Kiyohara is a male. I'm inclined to believe the author's intention was to portray Kiyohara as the type of otokonoko who embraces his feminine side.
There was a line where Kiyohara flat out states wish they were a girl but again, I think this is a situation lost in both language and cultural translation. Japanese language has a tendency to not be direct in its meaning.
A lot of the nuance and meaning is lost during translation because Japanese does not operate like English and vice versa. For example, in Japan, when you ask a person "O genkii desu ka?" as in "are you doing well?", one accepted reply is "okagesama de". It literally means "thanks to you"
"Are you doing well?"
"Thanks to you!"
That makes no sense in English because the person asking typically had no responsibility in our mood/liveliness, but it carries a whole slew of meaning in Japanese that makes it equivalent to "I'm doing fine/great!"
Consequently, Kiyohara's simple statement, "I wish I had been a girl", carries a more complicated connotation of "if I was reborn again, I wish I would be a girl but accept that I have currently been born a male" type of meaning rather than if a person said they wish they had been a girl in English, they quite literally and directly mean they wish they had been born a girl in their current life with no other complicated nuances or roundabout meanings surrounding the English statement.
In all honesty to this whole argument though? I could care less what Kiyohara identified as. Kiyohara was a compelling character who was written intricately and with great care nonetheless and their gender identity did not detract from the story. STFU and just enjoy it like the author intended.
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I know this might sound weird, but i had read the manga ( in my specific language ) and then there was this side administrator okame which made me want to know more about him/her ( i guess its her but im not sure ). I tried to search it up here but i wasnt finding anything, just side administrator ,,A''. Please can someone make some informations about okame, or show me where they are, im soooo curious.
I love it. i love bloody magical girl animes. like madoka magica.. and magical girl site.. is on another level.
So.... Aya and yatsymura are... siblings....? Can someone tell me there at least not biologically related?
Waiting for mahou shoujo site s2 if it comes ive finished the anime and manga and i have read site sept which was great.
I know this is prolly a manga spoiler but whats the other stick in rina's hand? (Not the water gun)
It looks like a toy wand
Sorry for the inactivity im just lazy as hell
Just wrote out some of sakuras relationships and Hiroko shizomono's relationships, i am so tired rn i feel like sleeping.
Yeah We Do Miss Her Is In Heaven That Kaname Stabs Nijimi With That Sword For Having Fun Or Something New? Or They Thought Its Unexpected For Her That Everyone Miss Nijimi Is In Heaven I Love This Episode 9 So After That When Aya And Sarina Are Rivals And Rina Feels Bad For Aya And Tsuyuno Probably In The Future Or Something News When Chances There That's Great But If Its Not That's Okay So What Will Be?
I binged the entire anime yesterday because of a friend, and I'm in love! And I was wondering if a season 2 was cancelled. Thanks!
Edit: After some research, does anyone who where to buy the manga?
Hi! im a person who has watched magical girl site so many times since its my favorite anime, and I've been waiting for a season 2 for a few years now.
Of course i decided to look up if it will have a season 2, most articles confirmed it would and possibly a dub too.
After a few years of waiting, it got to my mind on why the magical girl site anime suddenly stopped?
Im trying to assume that the anime itself was not making enough revenue (Money) in order to make a season 2 because it wasn't as popular as the manga was, and i DID read some of the manga and i could tell why it was more popular then the anime itself.
Another reason on why i believed it stopped is because of how many people didn't like it much: like on youtube videos, people would say the anime was a low rating, and the manga a higher rating.
Another thing is it didn't have a higher viewership, which might have caused the anime company who MADE the anime to lose revenue (Lowering the budget of the anime itself.)
Not to mention the Blu Ray AND DVD sales. According to an Admin On this page for the helpful information, the DVD of the Magical Girl site series barely had 400 copies sold. Japans requirements in order to continue An Anime is If the DVD gets more then 4,000+ copies sold or it gets popular, which Mahou Shoujo Site failed to do because of all the negative criticism its been getting.
Now the question that comes to mind: why was there never a dub?
This question has my mind in the clouds, im assuming that the creators (who are Japanese) couldn't pay for dub voice actors because 1) the show didn't have the audience it needed, making it lose money and 2) they simply forgot about the show itself.
Another thing about how strange it was is that the show only ran for a few months, and they stopped running it for unknown reasons, which i do not have the answer for.
The fandom has died down and im not sure if anyone here is alive, but i hope this might've helped.
In all honesty the only thing that could've made this show successful is if it went OVERBOARD and I mean %500 FULL OVERBOARD with the razor sharp edge. Hear me out.
I know the first episode basically became a meme with its grimdark non-stop Aya torture. But maybe the very thing that brought on such a rocky first impression could've been the seeds for a cult following! The whole reason I decided I had to see the whole thing was that infamous first episode. I do agree with people saying the edge wasn't very meaningful and well-written, but I nonetheless became very interested because it stood out compared to other shows on tv. Kind of disappointed they immediately dialed down the edge. Still watched for cinnamon rolls.
I can't be the only one who became interested because of the episode 1 memes. Do you think season 2 would have a chance if it aimed for a cult following? Come to think of it most of the relatively few fans in the comments like to point out how dark the show is. Is it already a cult following?
Mahou Shoujo Site é um dos melhores animes/mangas que eu já vi, ele tem uma história muito interessante e personagens maravilhosos, oque me intriga é porque poucos brasileiros conhecem .-.
Queria muito poder conversar mais sobre esse anime e fazer rpg's com outras pessoas que falam minha língua. Se você leu isso e fala em português seria um prazer conversar cm você rs
I know that humanity is supposed to be evil as not each and every one of us humans is a perfect saint but is humanity supposed to be THIS evil ?!
In other, more well-known works of the mahou shoujo genre, i feel like that the antagonists or in layman terms, the villains, are evil ENOUGH but the heinous and atrocious acts that all of these young girls had to go through by the hands of others just seems like OVERKILL !!!!!!
Tell me something, guys and girls. Does anyone ever think that the creator of this manga feels DIRTY in making the Mahou Shoujo Site story ?!